Recap #CrimeChat Feb 16, 2013
Subject: King Richard III
A fascinating 90+ minutes with a line-up of great people on Twitter all discussing the finding of Richard’s skeleton, his armour, his reign and fate, and of course … could he have killed his older brother’s children.
As requested, some links:
my mini-series on the cold case of the Princes in the Tower is here
the recap of the previous #crimechat is here
the website of the Canadian Branch of the Richard III Society is here
More links are in the verbatim thread so just copy and paste!
Two images I need to mention here. Matthew Ward, who joined in the chat, posted these in his Twitter stream. The first is a sketch of the vault where King Edward IV and Queen Elizabeth Woodville are laid to rest. Inside that vault are several coffins as discussed in my mini-series.
The second image is a picture of what the armour of Richard III would have looked like. As you can see, the neck is raised to prevent decapitation. Most likely, he also wore a maille standard collar. Matthew discussed the trauma to the skull, the position of the wrists, his general impression of the skeletal remains and more. His twitter stream holds many more pictures of the weapons that may have been used in battle, armour, the facial reconstruction and more. Check it out!
Remember that if you check up on my mini-series that I am not a historian so naturally, I have missed a thing or two. I just wanted to be able to answer some simple questions such as:
1: was it understandable that people accused King Richard III of regicide? Yes.
2: would any prosecution be able to prove the charge of regicide? No.
3: was there an alternative explanation for the Princes’ disappearance? Yes.
If you decide to dig into the cold case of his nephews remember to include some history on France especially the minority rule of Charles VIII. Why? The prospect of Minority Rulers made a lot of people nervous regardless of how capable their regents or protectors were. This of course applies to Edward V as well.
As usual, the verbatim thread is below.
Cheers, V
| Vidocq_CC | It is 10am EST so time for #crimechat on Richard III #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:00:33 +0000 |
| aliciakan | RT @Vidocq_CC: It is 10am EST so time for #crimechat on Richard III #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:00:47 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | A recap of the last #crimechat on the King can be found here http://t.co/779gH64m #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:00:57 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | I'm ready! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:01:06 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | My miniseries with my doubt in the cold case of the princes is here http://t.co/CTIVNwzk #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:01:30 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: A recap of the last #crimechat on the King can be found here http://t.co/779gH64m #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:01:38 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: My miniseries with my doubt in the cold case of the princes is here http://t.co/CTIVNwzk #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:01:51 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | With me today: the Canadian Branch of the Richard III Society! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:01:52 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Welcome, how are you? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:02:02 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Also here with me today for her take on the skeletal preservation and DNA: Sue Carney @lilaclounge! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:02:27 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Good , thanks. Looking forward to this. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:02:39 +0000 |
| LilacLounge | Morning @vidocq_cc #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:02:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan Thank you, Alicia! Hope you are doing well. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:02:59 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Please start by your personal reaction to finding King Richard III. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:03:22 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LilacLounge Hi Sue! Glad you are here! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:03:37 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | if you join the chat please use the hashtag #crimechat so we can see all tweets and I can easily collect all for the recap. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:04:03 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Disbelief at first. I thought it was likely the body had been tossed into the river. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:04:40 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @Vidocq_CC I think it's fab you're doing Richard III! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:04:44 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @Vidocq_CC I am a historian that was at the #RichardIII press conference and was one of the few allowed to inspect the remains #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:04:55 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC But I knew all the hard work behind the search so once the bones were found, it seemed likely they were Richard III's.#crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:05:23 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | The website of the Canadian Branch of the Richard III Society is here http://t.co/YdjQpCRf #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:05:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Please enlighten us, I want to hear all about it! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:05:48 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @HistoryNeedsYou Looking forward to your contribution! @Vidocq_CC #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:06:17 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA I always thought some loyal royalist would sneak it away and give it a burial but his hands were found tied, right? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:06:21 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan Thank you, this is a cold case as his nephews are concerned so naturally, I am curious! 😀 #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:06:48 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Certainly from the placement of the arms, it is probable they were tied, yes. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:07:13 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @HistoryNeedsYou I am a historian who was at #RichardIII press conference, one of the few allowed to inspect the remains #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:07:27 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | I have been invited by @Vidocq_CC to take part in #CrimeChat about #RichardIII and talk about the archeological process & the future | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:07:30 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Do you know whether there were ligature marks on the bones on his wrists? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:08:06 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou So do tell: any evidence that his wrists were tied? Thoughts about the missing feet? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:08:46 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | When I saw the remains of #RichardIII I did not see a King but a man - fragile, mortal, flawed - just like me. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:09:04 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC I don't. That might be a better question for @HistoryNeedsYou #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:09:27 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC @HistoryNeedsYou As regards the missing feet, it is my understanding that the ground had been disturbed in the last C #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:10:47 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | There were no ligature marks on the wrists of #RichardIII but that is not surprising. #crimechat http://t.co/g5UpFXdw | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:10:48 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA OK, I also like to hear from you about the R3 society, what it is, what it does, future plans, etc. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:11:09 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | The bones of #RichardIII only show injuries that damaged the skeleton, not any flesh wounds or trauma to organs. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:11:32 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | Future plans same as old , continue to promote research into his life and the times. This discovery gives us more to work with #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:13:17 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Any evidence of stabs or cuts to the abdomen or ligature marks on #RichardIII have not been preserved in the archaeology #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:13:20 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Where any weapons, artifacts found near him? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:13:23 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lilaclounge Did you expect the DNA results to be back so fast? Was his body ideally preserved for testing? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:13:59 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lilaclounge When would it have been impossible for scientists to find DNA on this particular skeleton? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:14:39 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | I have discussed the possible causes of the traumas to #RichardIII with Bob Savage, who was in charge of that part of research #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:02 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Explain some of the work the society does, events, books, etc. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:19 +0000 |
| aliciakan | Richard III: The ultimate cold case! Follow #crimechat now as @Vidocq_CC and @HistoryNeedsYou (who examined the remains) do a CSI. | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:40 +0000 |
| LilacLounge | @Vidocq_CC I can't comment on the speed of testing but re preservation: mitochondrial DNA is often the last to degrade... #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:15:58 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | The bones of #RichardIII were very well preserved despite being buried for 528 years. This enabled successful extraction of DNA #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:16:11 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Here in Canada we only have enough members in Toronto to meet monthly but we also have a newsletter and regular email.#crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:16:11 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | No finds with #RichardIII “@Vidocq_CC: @HistoryNeedsYou Where any weapons, artifacts found near him? #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:16:45 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @yeoldeguildford @HistoryNeedsYou Explain your request for histrionics and use hashtag #crimechat please | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:16:46 +0000 |
| gurkan_ergin | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: No finds with #RichardIII “@Vidocq_CC: @HistoryNeedsYou Where any weapons, artifacts found near him? #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:17:03 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC In GB, Australia, NZ, the US, there are also mtgs, publications, etc. A research based journal is published annually #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:17:08 +0000 |
| LilacLounge | @Vidocq_CC it is surprising that some Y chromosome DNA remains. Reports indicate that it's degraded but enough for comparison #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:17:29 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @HistoryNeedsYou Was this from the teeth? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:17:55 +0000 |
| chigirl30 | RT @aliciakan: Richard III: The ultimate cold case! Follow #crimechat now as @Vidocq_CC and @HistoryNeedsYou (who examined the remains) do a CSI. | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:18:00 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LilacLounge How long before Mitochondrial DNA is deteriorated too much for testing? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:18:42 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | position of wrists of #RichardIII is atypical of burials of time so it may indicate wrists were tied or may just be a tight grave #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:18:49 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | @HistoryNeedsYou Any theories on why/how the skeletal remains were so well preserved? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:19:10 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LilacLounge Can you indicate how much you need for testing? What is the best bone to extract materials for DNA testing? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:19:18 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | RT “@rosamundi: @HistoryNeedsYou @Vidocq_CC Franciscans wouldn't be big on grave goods, as a rule.” #RichardIII #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:19:26 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC In England the Society also has regular research weekends where historians present their findings #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:20:03 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Can you explain the massive trauma to the skull? Does it match the battle wounds as described by many writers? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:20:25 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | #RichardIII DNA was extracted from the large bones. Teeth are being used for isotope analysis at the mo. #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:20:40 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Soil conditions “@SamuraiKnitter: @HistoryNeedsYou Any theories on why/how the skeletal remains were so well preserved? #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:20:56 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Will there be any further research as to the fates of Edward V and Richard of York? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:21:20 +0000 |
| LilacLounge | @Vidocq_CC mitochondrial DNA can be preserved for years, as this case demonstrates! It's often tested in unidentified remains #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:21:48 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Soil moisture & acidity affects bone preservation - it varies a great deal within yards. Sometimes bones disappear in few years. #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:22:15 +0000 |
| yeoldeguildford | @Vidocq_CC @historyneedsyou a reference to Matt's dismay at original #RichardIII presentation #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:22:31 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC We have been requesting that the Bones in Westminster Abbey be tested but the answer continues to be no. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:22:55 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @HistoryNeedsYou The curve of his spine was extraordinary. Is there anything else unusual that you noticed in examining remains? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:23:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @yeoldeguildford Enlighten me! I am in the USA so have no clue what happened! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:23:16 +0000 |
| ALetterOfMarque | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: #RichardIII DNA was extracted from the large bones. Teeth are being used for isotope analysis at the mo. #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:23:20 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | The 2 lethal injuries found on the bones of #RichardIII are a flat slice across the skull & a stab wound. #CrimeChat http://t.co/ZsGXj8PX | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:23:32 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC It is argued that they cannot date the bones enough to know whether they died in Richard's reign or Henry VII's #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:23:47 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Do you believe those bones to belong to the Princes? My money is on the coffins in Edward IV's tomb. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:23:57 +0000 |
| LilacLounge | @Vidocq_CC relatively speaking, only small amounts of DNA are needed - nanogrammes. The amount of bone wld depend on conditions #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:24:27 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Flat slice to base of skull of #RichardIII matches historical description of Welshman using a halberd. #CrimeChat http://t.co/JrVEpuPo | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:24:29 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @HistoryNeedsYou @vidocq_cc did dig end with discovery of skeleton or wider area explored? If latter what things were found? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:24:56 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA And that would open up so many options! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:24:57 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC I have no opinion! Not enough evidence one way or another. Seems likely to me, they died after Henry VII took over #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:25:14 +0000 |
| GiantDespair | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: Flat slice to base of skull of #RichardIII matches historical description of Welshman using a halberd. #CrimeChat http://t.co/JrVEpuPo | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:25:15 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LilacLounge Is there any bone that scientists prefer? Always a femur or not? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:25:25 +0000 |
| ALetterOfMarque | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: Flat slice to base of skull of #RichardIII matches historical description of Welshman using a halberd. #CrimeChat http://t.co/JrVEpuPo | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:25:42 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | It was obvious from examining #RichardIII bones that they matched historical descriptions & images. #CrimeChat http://t.co/y8TPnSdb | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:26:06 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA At the Battle of Bosworth, Henry VII did not have any offspring, right? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:26:20 +0000 |
| gurkan_ergin | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: It was obvious from examining #RichardIII bones that they matched historical descriptions & images. #CrimeChat http://t.co/y8TPnSdb | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:26:23 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Does that hint at an attempt to decapitate? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:26:41 +0000 |
| SaveRome | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: It was obvious from examining #RichardIII bones that they matched historical descriptions & images. #CrimeChat http://t.co/y8TPnSdb | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:26:49 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: Flat slice to base of skull of #RichardIII matches historical description of Welshman using a halberd. #CrimeChat http://t.co/JrVEpuPo | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:27:00 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @lisaquigley @vidocq_cc other remains were found and evidence of the buildings at Greyfriars #RichardIII #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:27:00 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Right, that was what I found as well even in Tudor writings! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:27:03 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC That is right. He was unmarried at the time. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:27:15 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @Teknofish no, it is a stab wound with rondel or other tough blade up into brain cavity. No evidence of helmet bent into skull #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:27:58 +0000 |
| LilacLounge | @Vidocq_CC femur, being a larger bone might be a better choice, but it may just depend on what's available. #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:28:14 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC @HistoryNeedsYou Except no hunch or withered arm! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:28:22 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA So, no Tudor succession guaranteed. Richard III at least had nephews to secure the throne for the Plantagenets. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:28:24 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: @lisaquigley @vidocq_cc other remains were found and evidence of the buildings at Greyfriars #RichardIII #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:28:29 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Was his armour ever found? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:28:44 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | The wound to base of #RichardIII may have been an attempt to decapitate but it would have been stopped by his maille standard. #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:28:59 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LilacLounge Were you surprised to see the actual spine knowing what hunchback rumours were spread by later rulers? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:29:28 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC That is true. And Richard was in the process of negotiating for a Spanish or Portuguese wife. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:29:31 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Historical sources mention crook not hunch “@RichardIIICA: @Vidocq_CC @HistoryNeedsYou Except no hunch or withered arm! #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:29:42 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Exactly! And the face ... let's talk facial reconstruction! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:29:56 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @lisaquigley @vidocq_cc all #RichardIII dig reports are being peer-reviewed and will be published. #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:30:28 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA And he had the nephews as "back up" to endure a Plantagenet rule or hold on the throne so reason to keep them safe. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:30:41 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Yes, it is being done at the mo “@SamuraiKnitter: @HistoryNeedsYou Is anyone considering isotope analysis on #RichardIII ?” #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:31:02 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Is the facial reconstruction what you had expected to see? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:31:15 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC One man in York got in trouble for calling Richard a Crookback (after his death) but that seems more accurate.#crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:31:20 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | No but almost no battle-damaged armour exists anywhere “@Vidocq_CC: @HistoryNeedsYou Was his armour ever found? #crimechat” #RichardIII | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:31:37 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @HistoryNeedsYou Apart from extraordinary curve to spine and head injuries, was there anything else unusual about his remains? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:31:40 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan Good question! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:32:15 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC That was a surprise. I expected a narrower face. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:32:17 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | A little too fleshy, should be leaner“@Vidocq_CC: @HistoryNeedsYou Is the facial reconstruction what you had expected to see? #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:32:27 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Does the reconstruction make you rethink his character eg a narrower face, maybe more stern, bitter? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:33:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou OK, but as lean as in the paintings? Is this face maybe too friendly now? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:33:51 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @aliciakan They said he had such a delicate frame they did wonder for a bit if it was a woman's #crimechat @HistoryNeedsYou | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:34:07 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Can you explain how the facial reconstruction was done? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:34:13 +0000 |
| AineMedievalDub | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: It was obvious from examining #RichardIII bones that they matched historical descriptions & images. #CrimeChat http://t.co/y8TPnSdb | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:34:28 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:34:52 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Any other famous people rumoured to be buried in the same area? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:35:12 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC We know that some of the pictures had been repainted to make him look meaner but I agree with @HistoryNeedsYou #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:35:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/xmHBoGdw #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:36:03 +0000 |
| YorksWriter | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:36:19 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | ms image of #RichardIII shows a maille standard (collar) this would have prevented decapitation attempt #CrimeChat http://t.co/yuxZkVuE | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:37:04 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA What is the most trusted resemblance when it comes to paintings? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:37:16 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Both #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:38:01 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @RichardIIICA Thanks for engaging! Asking @historyneedsyou the same question twice and being ignored. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:38:02 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @aliciakan: @RichardIIICA Thanks for engaging! Asking @historyneedsyou the same question twice and being ignored. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:38:37 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC The oldest is from the Society of Antiquaries http://t.co/BJU6Db64 #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:38:52 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @HistoryNeedsYou Just saw this now, apologies for the being-ignored remark #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:39:03 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | reconstruction of #RichardIII was done by making a 3D scan of skull and building up layers of muscle #CrimeChat http://t.co/Bthzz0m1 | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:39:15 +0000 |
| jonroke | @HistoryNeedsYou how close is his skeleton to Shakespeare's description of him? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:39:20 +0000 |
| gurkan_ergin | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: reconstruction of #RichardIII was done by making a 3D scan of skull and building up layers of muscle #CrimeChat http://t.co/Bthzz0m1 | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:39:35 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT "@aliciakan very slightly built" #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:40:32 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Not very “@jonroke: @HistoryNeedsYou how close is his skeleton to Shakespeare's description of him? #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:40:34 +0000 |
| ALetterOfMarque | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:41:04 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @jonroke Nowhere close. No hump, no withered arm . One shoulder might have been a little higher. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:41:11 +0000 |
| ValerieC24 | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: reconstruction of #RichardIII was done by making a 3D scan of skull and building up layers of muscle #CrimeChat http://t.co/Bthzz0m1 | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:41:21 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou As to the slight build, is it in line with people's height from that time? People were smaller back then. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:41:36 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @RichardIIICA @Vidocq_CC Got it after I saw your tweet. My apologies to @historyneedsyou 🙂 #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:42:08 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley @HistoryNeedsYou No, was just wondering since the time is now more friendly towards RIII #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:43:13 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan No problem, is a hashtag thingy! Makes tweets less easy to find if you search or use tweetchat. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:43:48 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC The report said he would have been 5'8"" if straight- slightly taller than average. His brother Edward was over 6' #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:43:56 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Everyone, please use the hashtag. I use tweetchat and need those hashtags to make a recap later on #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:44:31 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | A poleaxe is the most useful weapon to carry when wearing C15th harness like #RichardIII #CrimeChat http://t.co/W6FHYNlK | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:44:34 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @Vidocq_CC @historyneedsyou sorry I meant general public expectation and I forgot the hash tag #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:44:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA OK so that is not too small ... #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:44:59 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | The remains of #RichardIII are approx 5'8" which is av height in 1485 but his scoliosis would have made him stand 5'4". #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:45:37 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC @lisaquigley @HistoryNeedsYou I expect that might have played a part. Colouration and hair based on portraits #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:45:43 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @RichardIIICA How much do armour and weapons weigh? Sounds a bit much for a man of slight build and modest height. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:46:00 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley Not sure what I expected. I did not expect to see Shakespeare's personification! A horse for my kingdom! As if! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:46:09 +0000 |
| aliciakan | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: A poleaxe is the most useful weapon to carry when wearing C15th harness like #RichardIII #CrimeChat http://t.co/W6FHYNlK | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:46:31 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Would that have been an average height for that time period? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:46:47 +0000 |
| ValerieC24 | This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/L2NTMBZQ /via @HistoryNeedsYou | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:47:07 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @Vidocq_CC @richardiiica do you know what height was he as he was? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:47:12 +0000 |
| genejean | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: A poleaxe is the most useful weapon to carry when wearing C15th harness like #RichardIII #CrimeChat http://t.co/W6FHYNlK | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:47:13 +0000 |
| SGFuthey | “@SGFuthey: @HistoryNeedsYou …causing a near total loss of blood pressure. He went quickly, then… @Teknofish” Forgot the #Crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:47:19 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @aliciakan: @RichardIIICA How much do armour and weapons weigh? Sounds a bit much for a man of slight build and modest height. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:47:20 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan Good question! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:48:01 +0000 |
| MaryPepinMoran | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:48:52 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @historyneedsyou Any thoughts about the Princes in the Tower? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:49:20 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC @aliciakan according to http://t.co/nGuY3PJB 50- 60lbs #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:50:17 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @Rosicrucianuma bones are still being examined in detail - bone density scan I under way #RichardIII #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:51:03 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @RichardIIICA Criminy. It's still a *lot* with his scoliosis and all #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:52:10 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | long sword had to be used with great skill to injure a man in harness. Poleaxe more useful. #CrimeChat #RichardIII http://t.co/xE135x8k | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:52:18 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley The last charge he made was suicidal but brave. Does not sound like a man who'd beg for a horse to save his own hide #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:52:23 +0000 |
| BazHumphrey | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:52:27 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | There are two sets of remains to research, not one! “@Vidocq_CC: @historyneedsyou Any thoughts about the Princes in the Tower? #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:52:46 +0000 |
| hillaryssteps | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:53:00 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou I know, your thoughts? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:53:28 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @aliciakan Yes, sure is. I was surprised there was anything like the scoliosis given what we know of his skill as a soldier. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:53:44 +0000 |
| hillaryssteps | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: Not very “@jonroke: @HistoryNeedsYou how close is his skeleton to Shakespeare's description of him? #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:53:46 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou I wrote about them in my mini-series on my blog #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:53:50 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | 1 set of remains for Princes in the Tower are the highly contaminated bones found in C17th #CrimeChat #RichardIII http://t.co/IVNEHQbe | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:54:22 +0000 |
| Mlea64 | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:54:44 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA And those skills were acknowledged by other writers as well so he was a muscular man, right? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:54:46 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | 2nd potential remains of Princes in the Tower are two sealed lead coffins in the Royal Vault at Windsor. #CrimeChat http://t.co/Io87hfeg | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:43 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC He must have been muscular. Even his enemies acknowledged his valour in battle. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:55:49 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @HistoryNeedsYou Nice! Never seen that image before. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:56:45 +0000 |
| jonroke | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: Not very “@jonroke: @HistoryNeedsYou how close is his skeleton to Shakespeare's description of him? #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:56:59 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @Vidocq_CC I don't think he had a choice, although no less brave for it. Fascinating stuff. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:57:11 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @Vidocq_CC Beginning to sound like Shakespeare was doing a National Enquirer! @lisaquigley #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:57:45 +0000 |
| ValerieC24 | Not very “@jonroke: how close is his skeleton to Shakespeare's description of him? #crimechat” /via @HistoryNeedsYou #RichardIII | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:58:38 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan Shakespeare's objective was to entertain and not to objectively tell us about history. Ridicule over fact! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:58:49 +0000 |
| easylife1978 | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:58:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley If the Stanleys had not waited to pick a side or, if he had waited for backup, he might have won the battle #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:59:30 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley If the Stanleys had not waited to pick a side or, if he had waited for backup, he might have won the battle #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:59:30 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC @aliciakan Just like the Enquirer! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:00:06 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Unlikely. More research needed first “@Karen_J_B: anyway that the crown will allow the remains to be identified as the princes? #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:00:18 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @Vidocq_CC or if he had had a horse? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:00:24 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley There were extra weapons and possibly men available but they needed time to get to Bosworth. RIII did not wait. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:00:33 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley The Stanleys were notorious for picking a side when they were the deciding factor in the battle #rewards $$$$$ #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:01:14 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley He had a horse. He charged mounted with trusted knights. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:01:41 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Yes as they are in Royal properties “@spritesbites: @HistoryNeedsYou Would you need the permission of The Queen to examine them?”#CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:02:00 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou I do not think Queen Elizabeth will allow any research on the bones or the vault, maybe her successors? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:02:44 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @Vidocq_CC a second horse. One imagines fighting from atop a horse to be advantageous in battle? #genuinely interested #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:03:14 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC @lisaquigley And usually they picked the winning side- until Wm Stanley chose to support Perkin Warbeck years later. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:03:16 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | This hour flew by as well, does anyone have time to stay longer? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:03:32 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @Vidocq_CC I think it will remain a mystery until the led coffins can be examined without opening them. #RichardIII #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:04:15 +0000 |
| ayalablue | “@HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/tYvglqdw” Amazing. | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:04:19 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley Yes, top of horse is superior position. That is how he started. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:04:22 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @lisaquigley @Vidocq_CC If you are fighting other men on horseback, I imagine so. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:04:24 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @Vidocq_CC I'm staying! How did they trace his lineage all the way to Canada? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:04:37 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Thoughts on Perkin Warbeck? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:04:40 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Fibre optics can at least tell us whether there is anything inside those coffins. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:05:05 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | @lisaquigley It's been described as having your own mobile tower to fight from. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:05:50 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan That is for @historyneedsyou #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:06:03 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @Vidocq_CC I haven't watched/read the play but associated the 'horse request' with being better able to fight not to flee #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:06:25 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | Not without drilling“@Vidocq_CC: @HistoryNeedsYou Fibre optics can tell us whether there is anything inside those coffins. #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:06:26 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @aliciakan @Vidocq_CC Ashdown-Hill did most of the work.This is from his book The Last days of Richard III #crimechat http://t.co/cXLAGa7M | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:06:45 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SamuraiKnitter Exactly! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:06:46 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @Vidocq_CC @historyneedsyou Have huge respect now for ancient warfare. No guns, no tanks. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:06:50 +0000 |
| CherylDaviess | "@HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/p2wVK9ji" not effective? | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:06:54 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley No, that cry was when he was on the ground surrounded by Tudor men and begging to flee. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:07:12 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @aliciakan @Vidocq_CC Sorry, that picture is smaller than I thought it would be! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:07:29 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou What is your take on Richard of York imposters? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:07:57 +0000 |
| GaeMar01 | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: 2nd potential remains of Princes in the Tower are two sealed lead coffins in the Royal Vault at Windsor. #CrimeChat http://t.co/Io87hfeg | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:08:34 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @Vidocq_CC I think you have blogged on this could I have the links please? Would love to know more #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:08:42 +0000 |
| ALetterOfMarque | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: 2nd potential remains of Princes in the Tower are two sealed lead coffins in the Royal Vault at Windsor. #CrimeChat http://t.co/Io87hfeg | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:08:54 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @CherylDaviess very effective armour . Most wounds on #RichardIII were to head, probably after helmet was knocked off. #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:09:11 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @historyneedsyou - the courage to go toe to toe is far greater than that of sending a drone #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:09:26 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC I think he was probably a bastard son of *someone's*. He convinced a lot of royalty in other countries. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:09:37 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | RT“@waylandtb: @HistoryNeedsYou A warhammer is a nice weapon for close combat as well, I've put one through 2mm of steel plate.” #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:09:41 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley http://t.co/CTIVNwzk #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:09:47 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @Vidocq_CC There have always been an always will be impostors. They are an amusing irrelevance. #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:10:42 +0000 |
| SGFuthey | Best.Convo. On. Twittahh! *sitting down with coffee and listening to @HistoryNeedsYou and @Vidocq_CC * #CrimeChat #RichardIII #Historical | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:11:44 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou Just like in the case of the Dauphin http://t.co/nQ6NqQ7i #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:11:46 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @HistoryNeedsYou @Vidocq_CC Lambert Simnell was certainly treated that way. Warbeck was a more serious threat. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:12:08 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @SGFuthey: Best.Convo. On. Twittahh! *sitting down with coffee and listening to @HistoryNeedsYou and @Vidocq_CC * #CrimeChat #RichardIII #Historical | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:12:36 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA How did he convince his aunt Margaret? She had not been in England for ages! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:13:01 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @SGFuthey Luckily, @Vidocq_CC is putting the whole conversation up later! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:13:21 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC That would have helped, I think! Or, more likely, she knew he wasn't real and helped to coach him #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:14:09 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA @sgfuthey Yup, that's why hashtag matter! I use a search to make a verbatim thread and recap on my blog #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:14:19 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @Vidocq_CC Going to read Cadbury's book now because of you! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:14:37 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | OK, I'd like some thoughts about the Tyrell confessions. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:14:46 +0000 |
| minotauresse | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: reconstruction of #RichardIII was done by making a 3D scan of skull and building up layers of muscle #CrimeChat http://t.co/Bthzz0m1 | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:15:03 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Nobody can prove he confessed as there are no documents of this extremely important piece but I digress! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:15:22 +0000 |
| ian_bec | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:15:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan Please read the miniseries on my blog, some books are full of "rumours based on believes made into facts", ugh! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:16:04 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC The timing was off as well. Why wait so long? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:16:22 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @Vidocq_CC I will. If I hadn't gone into Law it would have been History for sure! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:16:23 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @Vidocq_CC @HistoryNeedsYou @RichardIIICA Thanks for today's #crimechat. Fascinating and informative! Bravo! | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:16:27 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | If Tyrell was right than Sir Thomas More was wrong describing the find of the skeletal remains near the stairs. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:16:33 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | If you have enjoyed this #CrimeChat about #RichardIII please follow @uniofleicester and visit the website for all the info from the dig | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:16:42 +0000 |
| aliciakan | @Vidocq_CC Will do! You are awesome! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:17:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | And if Tyrell spoke the truth why did Henry VII not proclaim publicly that the murdered was found at long last? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:17:05 +0000 |
| SGFuthey | This is once in a lifetime stuff… “@RichardIIICA: @SGFuthey Luckily, @Vidocq_CC is putting the whole conversation up later! #crimechat” | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:17:10 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Here's a paper done by the chair of the Richard III Society of Canada on Tyrell http://t.co/Qjh45t4n #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:17:44 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @aliciakan Thank you, friend! See you later! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:18:17 +0000 |
| Richard1483 | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: This is the kind of armour that #RichardIII would have worn at Bosworth #CrimeChat http://t.co/N1hvCEgA | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:18:24 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HistoryNeedsYou @aliciakan @RichardIIICA I so appreciate it, Matthew. Thank you very much! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:18:49 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Well they still didn't have the bones even if it had been true.#crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:19:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Just don't get me started on the book by Weir! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:19:31 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC More goes on to say that the bones had been moved. But no one knew where. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:20:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Right, and the time the bones were on the dump worries me and Weir does not even touch on that! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:20:32 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Correct, so if Tyrell is right More is not and vice versa. This leaves us where for the bones? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:20:57 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC I'm glad she is finally admitting she is writing fiction. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:21:03 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | I am also fascinated by RIII's payroll for household expenses since it lists "children." Thoughts on that anyone? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:21:59 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | For the prep of RIII's coronation, there are expenses listed for "Lord Edward V" and entourage. How do you explain that? #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:22:38 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC We had a Dr in our Society write a paper 4 a Forensic journal on the bones. His conclusion is that it seems unlikely. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:22:38 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA That the bones are the Princes or unlikely they were at a dump before being re-collected? Sorry, many tweets! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:23:56 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Yes, I agree. And the "never seen again" only means there are no records extant of them being seen. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:24:30 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @RichardIIIca Up in the north? Ed IV's female children were sent up there eventually ...Yes, true #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:25:11 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA I also wonder about the distance at which you can actually see a child behind the Tower's windows. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:25:41 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Unlikely that the "scientific" examination in 1933 was anything close to accurate.#crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:25:53 +0000 |
| lisaquigley | @RichardIIICA @vidocq_cc @historyneedsyou thank you all for a fascinating afternoon. I now want to quit my job and study history! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:26:21 +0000 |
| Richard1483 | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: If you have enjoyed this #CrimeChat about #RichardIII please follow @uniofleicester and visit the website for all the info from the dig | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:26:33 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @richardIIIca Wait, Edward IV's daughters were sent North AFTER they were out of sanctuary, expenses show after RIII takes throne #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:27:14 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC Well they were seen playing outdoors- archery and the like. But I think it is quite possible they were moved. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:27:16 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @lisaquigley @Vidocq_CC @HistoryNeedsYou You are welcome! Lots to read without being an historian! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:28:00 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Correct, agreed re 1933 examination. The other one was done based on the 1933 one without actually seeing the bones #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:28:09 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @lisaquigley LOL, mind the paycheck! See you later! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:28:36 +0000 |
| ValerieC24 | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: If you have enjoyed this #CrimeChat about #RichardIII please follow @uniofleicester and visit the website for all the info from the dig | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:29:08 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | @Vidocq_CC It has been suggested they were preparing for them to arrive. I think it might have been one or more of the boys #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:29:22 +0000 |
| Hoodie3 | RT @SGFuthey: Best.Convo. On. Twittahh! *sitting down with coffee and listening to @HistoryNeedsYou and @Vidocq_CC * #CrimeChat #RichardIII #Historical | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:29:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA Unfortunately we will never know. However, if we do not know we may not accuse someone of double regicide #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:30:45 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | Well, I think I now have to do something else with my day. Thanks for the interesting chat @Vidocq_CC #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:30:49 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | And that folks, is what bugs me most. We still do not know but RIII is labelled a killer. Still. Without evidence. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:31:28 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RichardIIICA I know, about to sign off myself. Thank you so very much! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:31:45 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Thank you to all who joined the discussion, RT-ed tweets, and who are reading up on Richard III. #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:32:17 +0000 |
| historylab_tom | RT @HistoryNeedsYou: Flat slice to base of skull of #RichardIII matches historical description of Welshman using a halberd. #CrimeChat http://t.co/JrVEpuPo | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:32:25 +0000 |
| HistoryNeedsYou | @CherylDaviess contaminated by being mixed with other bones and not being dug & handled properly. #CrimeChat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:32:40 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | I will post a recap on my blog and the verbatim thread of all tweets hence the requests for using hashtags #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:32:46 +0000 |
| RichardIIICA | RT @Vidocq_CC: I will post a recap on my blog and the verbatim thread of all tweets hence the requests for using hashtags #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:34:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | It is 1133am EST and I am signing off. Sincere thanks to all! Have a wonderful weekend!!! #crimechat | Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:34:08 +0000 |