Crimechat recap from Feb 10, 2013. Our subject: Richard III & the Princes in the Tower. There was so much to talk about. We did not even have time to talk about the recent discoveries, the facial reconstruction, where to rebury the King and more.
Richard III (October 2, 1452 – August 22, 1485) was King of England from 1483 until his death at the Battle of Bosworth. He was the last king of the House of York and the last in the Plantagenet dynasty. His defeat at Bosworth Field was the last decisive battle in the War of the Roses. It marked the end of England’s Middle Ages.
When his brother King Edward IV died in April 1483, Richard was named Lord Protector of the realm for Edward’s eldest son and successor, Edward V (12). Edward had a younger brother Richard, the Duke of York. Arrangements were made for Edward’s coronation June 22, 1483; but, before the young king could be crowned, the marriage of his parents was declared bigamous and therefore invalid. By making Edward and Richard officially illegitimate they are barred from inheriting the throne.
On June 25, 1483, an assembly of Lords and commoners endorsed a declaration to proclaim Richard III the rightful king. The following day, he began his reign and was crowned July 6, 1483.
Edward and Richard, a.k.a. the Princes in the Tower, were not seen in public anymore after August 1483. This led to conspiracy theories and accusations that the princes had been murdered on Richard’s orders. The thought that maybe they lived outside of London never seemed to occur to people back then.
This was THE fastest chat ever. Sorry, Gavin! You are dethroned but at least that was done by a King! 😉
I was joined today by Stacey Bowcott who generously spend 75 minutes with us chatting about the fate of the Princes. She made a time line and had links to portraits made of the two boys. We had some great questions pop up and … I am left with even more questions. But that is alright because next week on Saturday February 16th, I have another chat on Richard III with the Canadian Branch of the Richard III Society! Their website is here.
The verbatim thread is below. Leave questions in the comment box or pop in for the next #crimechat.
Cheers
| Vidocq_CC | It is 2pm EST, welcome to #crimechat dedicated to a recently re-discovered King and one of the coldest cases ever #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:00:27 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | We will discuss Richard III, his facial reconstruction & whether we can hold him responsible for anything related to the princes #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:01:45 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: It is 2pm EST, welcome to #crimechat dedicated to a recently re-discovered King and one of the coldest cases ever #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:01:48 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | I am not a historian so remember that. Just a lawyer with a taste for unsolved mysteries! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:02:17 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Thank you for hosting #crimechat on Richard III @Vidocq_CC. Ready when you are. | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:02:27 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | One of my guests is @staceybowcott Thanks for joining! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:02:51 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott I am so ready for this. Give me first your reaction when the project was announced to search again for Richard III #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:03:29 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Please remember the hashtag for every tweet! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:03:53 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @McVladie Hashtag, am using tweetchat #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:04:18 +0000 |
| McVladie | @McVladie @Vidocq_CC Sorry how can they be absolutely certain it is Richard III? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:05:18 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @McVladie The skeleton has been compared with historical documents re Battle of Bosworth, how he died. DNA matches family. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:06:22 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @McVladie The skeleton showed the battle wounds all (even Tudors) writers described. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:07:27 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | I have to admit I was pretty shocked when the ID was confimed last Monday, that this was indeed the lost King, Richard III #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:07:36 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | I have posted a mini-series about the Princes in the Tower http://t.co/CTIVNwzk #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:08:02 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | That mini-series also holds links to the recent discovery of his body and skeletal information. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:08:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Why? Did you believe he would never be found? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:08:47 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | @Vidocq_CC The DNA match was the part that really blew my mind. #Crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:08:51 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Evie_G_L @McVladie Hashtag #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:09:01 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | I also agree the condition of the skeleton was amazingly exactly what historians had told us for years #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:09:26 +0000 |
| McVladie | @StaceyBowcott I must admit my Irish side of the family rejoiced upon how many wounds were inflicted : ) #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:09:30 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SamuraiKnitter Explain, did you think it had deteriorated? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:09:51 +0000 |
| McVladie | #crimechat #crimechat I will remember #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:10:06 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott The analysis of the battle wounds is fascinating! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:10:10 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @McVladie I rejoiced that it proved prejudice wrong! esp Shakespeare's whimpy version of Richard in battle! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:10:55 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | I don't blame you for that @McVladie on #crimechat I would never have expected to actually see how many wounds were given to the King 🙂 | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:11:28 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | @Vidocq_CC No, that it was done so quickly and accurately. And yes, that they'd even found some. #CrimeChat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:11:32 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | @Vidocq_CC Richard wasn't kept in optimal conditions for DNA recovery, after all. 🙂 #CrimeChat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:11:51 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SamuraiKnitter Next week @lilaclounge will join and can tell more about the DNA process involved (2/16 at 10am EST) #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:12:35 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC I was not expecting that news at all but it made it feel really worthwhile to be a Ricardian and feel part of the news #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:12:59 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott The trauma to the skull is massive! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:13:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SamuraiKnitter That is an excellent question for Sue aka @lilaclounge, the condition of the body for DNA testing #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:13:43 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott So give us an overview about this King and the rumours that he killed his nephews #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:14:21 +0000 |
| CeruleanMist | @StaceyBowcott @McVladie the wound analysis can only show wounds that penetrated to the bone, leaves you to wonder how many more #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:14:30 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | There is no doubt in my mind that this was a horrifically hard fought battle at Bosworth that day.#crimechat it's surprising many were saved | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:14:33 +0000 |
| McVladie | @Vidocq_CC I always envision Richard Dreyfuss's portrayal of Richard III in the Goodbye Girl #crimechat #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:14:55 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | #crimechat Here follows a timeline of the Princes Fate in the Tower | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:15:29 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @CeruleanMist Excellent point. His was also pierced through his pelvic bones! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:15:51 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Hard fought but not by all. Henry Tudor stayed safely behind. At least, Richard III fought with his men. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:17:49 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Mores story is an elaboration of sev accts.like Jean Molinets story that the princes were smothered 5 wks after arr @ the tower #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:18:21 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Which is incorrect if you check the financial records for the coronation and Richard III's household up North #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:19:49 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @bischofield @StaceyBowcott Use hashtag please #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:20:07 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Modern inv start with the dis of the boys in 1483.By July they were taken into the Tower & each day seen less #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:20:33 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | If you join the discussion on Richard III, great! Please use the hashtag #crimechat so the others can see your tweets and respond #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:21:15 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott But the bones found in 1483 have never been scientifically proven to belong to either Pirnce. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:21:48 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | 1 sighting was recorded in the great chronicle that 2 children were seen playing in tower garden before nov 1583 then no more #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:22:19 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott That is correct but at the same time the household up North had "children" listed on their expense lists. Who? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:23:17 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | The crowland chronicler writing his memoirs in 1486 recalled a sept 1483 rumor that the boys had already met their fate #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:23:24 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott I also wonder about the distance at which people saw these two children playing in the Tower's garden #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:24:18 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott But again, it was a rumour. The Croyland Chronicler never gave evidence that solidly proved they were dead #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:25:02 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | In jan 1484 speech ch of France Rochefort told his aud after Edward IV death his sons were murdered & crown given to the murderer #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:25:18 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Is it possible that the children seen not the Princes but other children? More children were staying at the Tower #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:26:26 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Philippe Commynes in his memoirs in 1500changed story 1st said Richard had them killed the then implicated the duke of Buckingham #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:27:12 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott I believe de Rochefort did that to instill fear in the French for a minor ruler under protectorate of a sibling #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:27:21 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott France had a juvenile King under governance by his very capable older sister and the southern parts were unhappy #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:28:08 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | 2 skeletons were found in tower in 1674 10 feet deep during demolition of a staircase leading to white tower chapel #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:28:09 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Buckingham is on my list of suspects, yes. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:28:31 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | The spot where the skel were found matched Mores descript of their initial burial at the stairfoot deep in the ground #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:29:03 +0000 |
| SobukiRa | RT @Vidocq_CC: If you join the discussion on Richard III, great! Please use the hashtag #crimechat so the others can see your tweets and respond #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:29:06 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Why dig out a stair's foundation if you can easily demolish it and build a new stair over the old foundation? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:29:22 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SobukiRa Thanks, Buki! How are you? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:29:40 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott But that spot does not match the so-called confessions from Tyrell. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:30:41 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott According to Tyrell, they were dug up again and reburied. If Tyrell spoke the truth, More did not and vice versa #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:31:35 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | There are just so many gaps in this case ... makes for awesome chats! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:32:13 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Painting of the Princes in the Tower by Sir John Everett Millais 1878 #crimechat http://t.co/k0abFyld | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:32:47 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: There are just so many gaps in this case ... makes for awesome chats! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:33:06 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @StaceyBowcott: Painting of the Princes in the Tower by Sir John Everett Millais 1878 #crimechat http://t.co/k0abFyld | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:33:18 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Pai ting of the Princes in the tower by Richard Northcote 1805 #crimechat http://t.co/s6EijNMX | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:34:32 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | Is there any known information from the servants who were in the Tower? #CrimeChat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:34:43 +0000 |
| bischofield | @Vidocq_CC @StaceyBowcott 3rd posting! Do you think he should be brought back to York for burial? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:35:27 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @StaceyBowcott: Pai ting of the Princes in the tower by Richard Northcote 1805 #crimechat http://t.co/s6EijNMX | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:35:29 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @SamuraiKnitter: Is there any known information from the servants who were in the Tower? #CrimeChat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:35:38 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SamuraiKnitter Yes, some received handsome rewards and lives abroad but the records are incomplete #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:35:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @bischofield Sorry, thought that question was for Stacey. I think he should be laid to rest where the other Royals are. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:36:35 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | You there are so many gaps in each historian's contemporary telling of the story, it's always been so impossible to tell what hap #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:37:00 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC true it's hard to tell what actually might have just been Tudor propaganda written with no choice or for loyalty #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:38:24 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: @SamuraiKnitter Yes, some received handsome rewards and lives abroad but the records are incomplete #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:38:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Correct! But if we cross-ref some of those records we see gaps that can be explained. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:38:35 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @CeruleanMist @SamuraiKnitter Please use the hashtag #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:38:58 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | The majority of Ricardians truly believe Richards innocence in these murders & other murders but frankly not all #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:39:49 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott The new ruler looked down on the last one and dissing them in writing was very welcome so motives galore #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:40:34 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott What do you think of my argument that with succession in mind, RIII has more to gain by them alive than dead? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:41:10 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Henry VII had no offspring when he took the crown or did he? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:41:43 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Personally I find it hard to lean towards the innocence side when you read all the accounts #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:41:47 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: @StaceyBowcott Henry VII had no offspring when he took the crown or did he? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:42:40 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @StaceyBowcott: Personally I find it hard to lean towards the innocence side when you read all the accounts #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:42:46 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Even if you know that More abandonned his writing? And that propaganda was false compared to his skeleton? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:42:49 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC well certainly if he wanted to win over his new subjects murder wouldn't seem like an act he would want to be involved #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:43:17 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott He had no withered arm, proven by his remains. What else was reported falsely? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:43:23 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Even if you do not lean to innocence there is room for doubt he committed double regicide #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:43:56 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: @StaceyBowcott He had no withered arm, proven by his remains. What else was reported falsely? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:44:12 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC he did not have children when he won at Nosworth, tho after marrying Eliz of York to unite the houses 2 sons followed #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:44:32 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Exactly, and with the boys alive the Plantagenet family had a stronger hold on the throne than the Tudors #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:44:45 +0000 |
| CeruleanMist | @Vidocq_CC @StaceyBowcott was there not more motive on Tudor's side than RIII, the princes were already claimed illegitimate #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:45:08 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: @StaceyBowcott Even if you do not lean to innocence there is room for doubt he committed double regicide #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:45:28 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Right, but only after he married Eliz and she had given birth. Before that, his succession was uncertain #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:45:44 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC you would think this would have been his wish that even tho he wasnt king a plant king was better than a Tudor one #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:46:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @CeruleanMist Correct, claim of illigitimacy but that could be reversed by repealing Titulus Regius which Henry VII did #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:46:37 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC very uncertain, he imprisoned the boy Warwick in the tower & tried to make an Allie of Lincoln, R3's heir #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:47:19 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Exactly my thoughts! A Plantagenet would keep it in the family which was better than the House of Tudor #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:47:27 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Several pretenders eventually came forth to claim the crown from Henry VII Insisting they were Lancastrian like Perkin Warbeck #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:49:16 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott If uncertain, then how do you explain the expense accounts that refer to "children" and Edward V as "Lord?" #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:49:26 +0000 |
| CeruleanMist | @Vidocq_CC but if it was repealed with the princes alive, would that not have altered Tudor's claim #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:49:55 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | Has it been considered that one of R's supporters killed the boys as a 'favor', without R's knowledge? #CrimeChat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:49:55 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott What are your thought about Perkin Warbeck? True or false? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:50:01 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SamuraiKnitter of course that is possible but who? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:50:32 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Poor Warbeck was used as a puppet to gain the crown and Lincoln even made up a Warwick pretender and died in battle for it #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:50:37 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @SamuraiKnitter: Has it been considered that one of R's supporters killed the boys as a 'favor', without R's knowledge? #CrimeChat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:50:38 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @CeruleanMist Tudor's claim was extremely weak. Repealing was not an issue. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:51:09 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott How about the stone mason claiming to be Richard of York? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:51:58 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: @StaceyBowcott How about the stone mason claiming to be Richard of York? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:52:34 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC I think Warbeck was convenient for them to use. He was there, willing and of right age to stage a coup #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:53:10 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Do you believe the Woodvilles plotted to have Warbeck eventually substituted for one of the princes? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:54:16 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | Tudor was considered a bastard up to his taking of the crown through his Father Owen. His crowning felt so wrong for so many #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:55:30 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Correct, no pure bloodline. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:56:49 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | And true any king with the pope in his hand could reverse any prior bulls, simply making new ones #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:57:17 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott What are your thoughts about the books by Tey and Weir about the Princes? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:57:30 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @StaceyBowcott: And true any king with the pope in his hand could reverse any prior bulls, simply making new ones #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:58:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott The Pope was very accommodating to permit the marriages of nephews with nieces and to repeal whatever! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:58:40 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC I believe they would have taken the scheme as far as it could have gone to win the crown back to their name #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:59:06 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott How much time do you have left for the chat? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:59:06 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC it's really pretty amazing when u think of where Tudor came from and how he seemed to effortlessly take the crown #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:00:22 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Does that imply the Woodvilles & others did have knowledge about the Princes? Implies they were alive? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:00:49 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC A Weir is one of my fav authors, I have quite a few of her books. AJ Pollard & D Seward also have great books on R3 #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:01:49 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Do you attribute that to the Battle of Bosworth where the Stanley family waited to pick a side to their advantage? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:02:27 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott The Stanleys were known to pick a side in battle at the last moment where they could tip the scale for rewards #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:03:44 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC I really don't think they knew the princes fate at time. All reports were that they had simply vanished #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:04:01 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott That would have been a risky coup for the Woodvilles if you do not have a male heir at hand. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:05:08 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott So the urn at Westminster Abbey: do you think those bones are theirs? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:05:32 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott How much time do you have, by the way? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:06:22 +0000 |
| McVladie | Thank-you for invite it has been most educational. Hope to bring more to the table next time. #crimechat #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:06:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | What do you folks think: the Urn at Westminster Abbey. Does it hold the bones from Edward V & Richard of York or not? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:07:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @McVladie Very welcome, next one Sat 2/16 at 10am EST to accomodate the UK fans! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:07:43 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC I def think the Stanley's would have been with Tudor due to Tudors Mother marriage with Stanley #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:07:53 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | @Vidocq_CC I'm more curious about the extra two coffins in Edward IV's tomb. #CrimeChat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:08:17 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Personally, I'd like to examine King Edward V's tomb with fibre optics to explore the six coffins in there! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:08:43 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SamuraiKnitter Me too! Mary and George are a given but the other two? Who knows? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:09:16 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Even if RIII was winning at Bosworth? Would the Stanleys stick with Tudor? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:09:48 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC I wouldn't speculate on that,it would take some hard forensic evidence to convince me of that #crimechat even if I wanted it so | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:10:16 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Concerning my mini-series: http://t.co/CTIVNwzk #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:10:25 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Part one is here http://t.co/ZxJzL7bf #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:10:37 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Part 2 is here http://t.co/993Cummw #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:10:50 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Part 3 is here http://t.co/i4pExBdc #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:11:01 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: Part one is here http://t.co/ZxJzL7bf #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:11:26 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: Part 2 is here http://t.co/993Cummw #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:11:34 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC Has been a delightful afternoon chat. I hope everyone enjoyed as much as me, gotta go edit, edit, edit. #crimechat Lets have more | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:11:42 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: Part 3 is here http://t.co/i4pExBdc #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:11:44 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Agreed, I wish we could research those bones with modern technology. Queen Elizabeth? Please? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:12:09 +0000 |
| SamuraiKnitter | @Vidocq_CC We need to start bugging the Queen, I'm tellin' ya. #CrimeChat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:12:46 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Thanks so much. Your timeline and input were fabulous. Will post a recap of the chat on my blog later today! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:12:51 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Remind me, did you write any books related to RIII or the Princes? #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:14:05 +0000 |
| StaceyBowcott | @Vidocq_CC I'd sign a petition to get that investigation started for sure 🙂 #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:14:20 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Me too! Lemme know if you find one, I'll gladly put my name on that one #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:15:29 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @StaceyBowcott Thank you for so generously spending time with us #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:16:16 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | That concludes the first chat about Richard III & the princes in the Tower. Tune in Sat 2/16 at 10am EST for another one #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:17:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Next week, the chat is with the Canadian branch of the Richard III Society so please join us 2/16 at 10am EST. #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:17:40 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Recap later on DCC. Thanks all for joining this chat. Signing off! #crimechat | Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:19:10 +0000 |
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