Recap #crimechat April 4, 2013: Today we spoke about wrongful convictions with Nancy Petro. A short introduction to wrongful convictions started this crimechat.
How do we find out about Wrongful Convictions in general?
A: We discover that the victim is alive & well.
Examples:
India 2003, the Reena Devi case. Reena disappeared, her mother ID-ed her dead body but she was found alive while two men were on trial. NOTE 2019: the Tribute of India has reorganized many of their archives and the link is broken. The story still pops up if you do an online search though but you cannot open the article.
Spain 1910: Jose Grimaldos disappeared. An overzealous judge sentenced two men to 18 years in prison. Jose was found alive in 1926.
America 1812: Russell Colvin, Vermont, 1812, was brought back to Vermont just in time to save relatives from execution.
B: The real perpetrator is caught in an unrelated crime and confesses. Examples galore!
C: New evidence is discovered or old evidence is re-examined with new technology such as DNA
America’s first DNA death row exoneration came in 1993 and freed Kirk Bloodsworth. Kirk had been condemned to death for the 1985 rape/murder of a child.
Note that only a fraction of criminal cases involve biological evidence that can be tested for DNA. Evidence from very old cases e.g. 50s/60s is often lost so the real numbers of WC are unknown
Causes of Wrongful Conviction:
1 The eye-witness did not see it correctly e.g. misidentification
2 Lab goof-ups ranging from invalidated theories, not drawing conclusions (so others do) to incorrect handling of evidence
3 False confessions, please see the Richard Lapointe case on my blog.
4 Snitches/Informants who will say what you want in exchange for …
5 Bad lawyer who fall asleep, did not hire their own experts, never did any background searches or even meet the witnesses
6 Prosecutorial misconduct, please see the Zeigler case on my blog.
Any combination of the above 1 through 6 is possible!
The eight myths that Nancy describes in her book about wrongful convictions are:
Myth 1: Everyone in prison claims innocence.
Myth 2: Our system almost never convicts an innocent person.
Myth 3: Only the guilty confess.
Myth 4: Wrongful conviction is the result of innocent human error.
Myth 5: An eyewitness is the best testimony.
Myth 6: Conviction errors get corrected on appeal.
Myth 7: It dishonors a victim to question a conviction.
Myth 8: If the justice system has problems, the pros will fix them.
We touched briefly on the case of Byron Case. His website is here. Please read up on this one. Judging from the tweets, some of the issues in this case are the time line, ballistics, and an unofficial tape recording entered into evidence.
Nancy reported about the Wrongful Convictions Blog and as per request from Susan, ended with the upbeat note that cops and prosecutors are working together more than ever to investigate wrongful convictions! The report from the National Registry of Exonerations is here. Their updates 2012 report can be found here as a pdf file.
The verbatim text is below.
Cheers, V
| Vidocq_CC | It is 10am EST. Time for a crime chat dedicated to Wrongful Convictions (WC). Ready? Let me start with an introduction. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:59:55 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | How do we find out about WC in general? A: We discover that the victim is alive & well #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:00:07 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Examples: India 2003, the Reena Devi case http://t.co/VubWSZzwXI #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:00:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Reena disappeared, her mother ID-ed her dead body but she was found alive while two men were on trial #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:00:35 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Spain 1910: Jose Grimaldos disappeared. An overzealous judge sentenced two men to 18 years in prison #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:00:45 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Jose was found alive in 1926 http://t.co/8ulC3Am8ZF #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:00:51 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Pakistan 2006: Malik Taj Mohammed was serving time for murder. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:00:59 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Later his victim was arrested for theft in an unrelated crime http://t.co/Jlsl7jd1h6 #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:01:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | And then we have America’s first WC murder case of Russell Colvin, Vermont, 1812 http://t.co/dvTcswcyWb #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:01:13 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | B: The real perpetrator is caught in an unrelated crime and confesses. Examples galore! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:01:21 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | C: New evidence is discovered or old evidence is re-examined with new technology such as DNA #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:01:28 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | America’s first DNA death row exoneration came in 1993 and freed Kirk Bloodsworth http://t.co/whm1MdwrLZ #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:01:35 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Kirk had been condemned to death for the 1985 rape/murder of a child. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:01:43 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Note that only a fraction of criminal cases involve biological evidence that can be tested for DNA. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:01:54 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Evidence from very old cases e.g. 50s/60s is often lost so the real numbers of WC are unknown #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:02:00 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Causes of WC: 1 The eye-witness did not see it correctly e.g. misidentification #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:02:13 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | 2 Lab goof-ups ranging from invalidated theories, not drawing conclusions (so others do) to incorrect handling of evidence #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:02:23 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | 3 False confessions, please see the Richard Lapointe case on my blog http://t.co/CMwL9F1gzC #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:02:32 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | 4 Snitches/Informants who will say what you want in exchange for … #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:02:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | 5 Bad lawyer who fall asleep, did not hire their own experts, never did any background searches or even meet the witnesses #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:02:46 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | 6 Prosecutorial misconduct, please see the Zeigler case on my blog http://t.co/uOeYZTPtvW #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:02:54 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Any combination of the above 1 through 6 is possible #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:03:04 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Nancy Petro reports about WCs and she will introduce us to the Wrongful Convictions Blog http://t.co/D0vO9Gc0Cn #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:03:12 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Welcome, Nancy! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:03:19 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Nancypetro Good Morning!!! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:03:38 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Good morning, Nic. Thanks for this opportunity to talk about cold cases and wrongful conviction. I'm honored by the invitation. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:03:42 +0000 |
| nancypetro | You've just given a great primer to wrongful conviction! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:04:06 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro And we have more folks joining us. I just tweeted some general information about WC. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:04:41 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC This sounds like Kelly Moffett, that main "eyewitness" in Byron's case. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:04:48 +0000 |
| nancypetro | I would add the first widely recorded wrondgul murder conviction of the Bourne brothers in Vermont in 1819. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:04:51 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Cold Cases can involve WC so yes, I am all for exploring them! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:05:04 +0000 |
| nancypetro | As it turns out, just before one of the brother's execution, the victim turned up alive and well. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:05:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro I did, added the case under victim's name, Russell Colvin, see stream #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:06:11 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Wrongful conviction & cold cases are related: Many wrongful convictions mask a cold case because the real perpetrator is unknown. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:06:17 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | For a great intro into wrongful convictions follow @Vidocq_CC #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:06:22 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Explain the case to us and thanks for joining! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:06:50 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Cold cases created by wrongful conviction don't get attention from local authorities who believe the case is closed, not cold. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:07:32 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Correct, but we need to read carefully to see the overlap. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:07:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Make sure you add the hashtag. Do you use http://t.co/hMOnlVaKyd? They do it for you. Nice and easy! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:08:19 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC Murder in 1997, wrongfully convicted in 2002 by an embittered ex gf who has previously blamed the victims ex bf #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:08:58 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Exactly and that is what hinders Zeigler. Everyone stopped looking after he got arrested! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:09:02 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Sometimes the only way to correct a wrongful conviction is to solve the case...identify the true perp with strong evidence. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:09:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Is there a website for the Byron Case? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:09:52 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC No physical evidence. A contradictory 'eyewitness'. No motive. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:10:03 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC http://t.co/RC00DG4Nz4 #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:10:24 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro In your experience, how likely is it for a cold case to get re-examined? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:10:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case That already sounds fishy! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:10:46 +0000 |
| nancypetro | In many high-profile cases of suspected wrongful conviction supporters may need to solve the case to free the innocent. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:11:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @Free_Byron_Case: @Vidocq_CC http://t.co/s19DOueETj Byron case website #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:11:11 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case I will read up on this case later, ok? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:11:35 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC The Skeptical Juror - Trial of Byron Case is a great book that calls out all that is wrong with the case #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:11:47 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Any newly discovered evidence should be sufficient to open a cold case. Of course, it's not easy to find. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:12:13 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC That would be great. We have an information packet if you are interested #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:12:14 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro And many of those supporters are fist called crazy but they continue, spending their own money to correct a wrong. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:12:17 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case OK, will need to see if my local library has that book. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:12:41 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @nancypetro That is our hope since all his appeals have been denied. We just need a ballistic and time of death expert #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:13:03 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro And then it has to be introduced to the courts ... procedurally barred! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:13:07 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case YES, contact me through my blog! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:13:24 +0000 |
| exonerationlist | RT @nancypetro: Wrongful conviction & cold cases related: Many wrongful convictions mask a cold case bc real perp is unknown. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:13:37 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC If not, I can definitely send you one. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:13:38 +0000 |
| nancypetro | The OH case of Clarence Elkin's wrongful conviction was only overturned with irrefutable evidence of the true perpetrator. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:13:45 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case So the time line is off in the case? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:13:45 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | RT @Vidocq_CC: @Free_Byron_Case YES, contact me through my blog! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:13:51 +0000 |
| exonerationlist | RT @nancypetro: In many high-profile cases of suspected wrongful conviction supporters must solve the case to free the innocent. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:14:27 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Contact me here http://t.co/v44ubZt2FT and I will email you back with details. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:14:30 +0000 |
| nancypetro | That required the work of Melinda Elkins, Clarence himself, the Ohio Innocence Project, and others who identified the killer. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:14:47 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Please explain the Elkin case for us. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:14:50 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC The timeline is terribly distorted. The eyewitnesses testimony of timing is impossible given the TOD factors. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:14:52 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Is the time line described in the book with a graphic? If not, can you get that to me? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:15:59 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @nancypetro That is what we are trying to do now. Just had a fundraiser last month. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:16:25 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Clarence Elkins was convicted of killing his mother-in-law & raping his niece based on the misidentification of the child victim. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:16:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @HALO_7 And that is wrong, period. If you did the crime, you should be sentenced regardless of a country's history. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:17:01 +0000 |
| LAMurderCop | RT @Vidocq_CC: And then we have America’s first WC murder case of Russell Colvin, Vermont, 1812 http://t.co/dvTcswcyWb #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:17:11 +0000 |
| nancypetro | He was identified as the perp within hours of the crime. No physical evidence linked him to it. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:17:12 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro How old was the child at that time? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:17:23 +0000 |
| nancypetro | He was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. His wife Melinda dedicated herself to finding her mother's killer. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:17:58 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LAMurderCop Hi Sal! Thanks for the RT! How are you? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:18:10 +0000 |
| nancypetro | The niece was only 6 years old and beaten in the dark of night in her bed. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:18:47 +0000 |
| nancypetro | The case went up and down the appeals process and even DNA excluding Clarence did not win him a new trial. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:19:32 +0000 |
| LAMurderCop | @Vidocq_CC Doing well!! Thanks. Love the tweets #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:19:52 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Six and physicall/emotionally scared. I don't blame her but absent physical evidence ... website link to that case? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:20:00 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Eventually, Mark Godsey, Dir. of the Ohio Innocence Project, contacted my husband Jim Petro, then OH Atty. Gen. for assistance. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:20:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LAMurderCop Any cases that stand out for you as a cop, wrongful convictions? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:20:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LAMurderCop If I don't catch you later: have a safe watch, friend! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:21:07 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro But not every prisoner is so lucky to be connected to a big network! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:21:39 +0000 |
| nancypetro | The D.A. in the case had been totally resistant to new evidence. Melinda identified the real perp among her many suspects. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:21:43 +0000 |
| McVladie | @Vidocq_CC @HALO_7 #crimechat Unfortunately system is not perfect because people are not perfect. Oh to have the mind of Atticus Finch... | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:22:01 +0000 |
| nancypetro | He was moved into Clarence's cell block and he was able to get a cigarette butt that was DNA tested and matched the crime. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:22:22 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @McVladie @Halo_7 Atticus Finch rocks! That's all! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:22:48 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Wow, and then did the DA respond to the case? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:23:09 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @nancypetro What steps would you suggest for those cases without DNA? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:23:33 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @Free_Byron_Case: @nancypetro What steps would you suggest for those cases without DNA? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:23:56 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Excellent question! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:24:06 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Only when advanced testing proved that Earl Mann was 1 in 19 million who could have committed the crime did the D.A. respond. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:24:24 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @TrickyCase Thank you for the RT, Richard! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:24:52 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro How was the new evidence introduced to the courts? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:25:15 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @Free_Byron_Case: @Vidocq_CC http://t.co/s19DOueETj Byron case website #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:25:39 +0000 |
| shinysparkly | Hello, sorry for being late. Comp was uncoop. Catching up now. #crimechat #freebyroncase @Vidocq_CC @nancypetro @Free_Byron_Case | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:26:13 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | RT @shinysparkly: Hello, sorry for being late. Comp was uncoop. Catching up now. #crimechat #freebyroncase @Vidocq_CC @nancypetro @Free_Byron_Case | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:26:35 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Wrongful convictions right now in #crimechat: the Byron case, the Elkin case, reflections on OJ and more! Join us. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:26:37 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @Free_Byron_Case: @nancypetro What steps would you suggest for those cases without DNA? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:26:54 +0000 |
| nancypetro | The new evidence was originally introduced by new trial motion which was denied. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:26:55 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @shinysparkly No problem, glad you are here. I frequently quarrel with my PC. Makes me feel like Donald Duck! Quack! 😀 #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:27:27 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | RT @Vidocq_CC: Wrongful convictions right now in #crimechat: the Byron case, the Elkin case, reflections on OJ and more! Join us. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:27:35 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Conclusive DNA proof of actual perpetrator prompted prosecutor action after 3-month delay. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:28:03 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro I need to hear more about this because this is where Zeigler is: new trial motion which was denied. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:28:12 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: @McVladie @Halo_7 Atticus Finch rocks! That's all! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:28:19 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @LAMurderCop I comment your detectives for their integrity! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:29:18 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | Do you have questions about Byron's case? Join the chat with @Vidocq_CC #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:29:19 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @Free_Byron_Case: Do you have questions about Byrons case? Join the chat with @Vidocq_CC #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:29:48 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC This case became high-profile with Ohio AG and Ohio Innocence Project advocacy, which forced D.A. to act. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:30:15 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Why not start tweeting a general introduction? I will catch that for the recap if you use the hashtag! 🙂 #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:30:17 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro We do not have that, alas. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:30:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro So what happens to prisoners without a network but who have said for years that they did not commit that crime? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:31:18 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Vidocq_CC D.A. finally moved to vacate the verdict after 90-day delay. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:31:29 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | Byron was wrongfully convicted in 2002 for the murder of Anastasia Witbolsfeugen. Murder happened in 1997. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:31:59 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @nancypetro Did the media play a role, too, in getting the DA to act? #crimechat #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:32:08 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Vacate the original verdict, ok. So that might be Zeigler's only hope. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:32:18 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @Free_Byron_Case: Byron was wrongfully convicted in 2002 for the murder of Anastasia Witbolsfeugen. Murder happened in 1997. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:32:29 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Once appeals process is exhausted, only pertinent new evidence can open the case. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:32:43 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @wobblywarrior Excellent question, Susan and great to see you here! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:32:46 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | Night of the murder Byron, his GF Kelly, Anastsia & her bf Justin were hanging out. Anastasia & Justin fought #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:33:00 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro: Once appeals process is exhausted, only pertinent new evidence can open the case. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:33:11 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Exactly, and what is pertinent .. can that definition vary per state? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:33:30 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | Anastasia got out of the car & was murdered later that night/early morning by a gunshot to the face #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:33:41 +0000 |
| shinysparkly | @Vidocq_CC @nancypetro I'd love to know more about how we can get more media attention. Seems hard since no DNA. #crimechat #freebyroncase | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:33:46 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @Free_Byron_Case Night of the murder Byron, his GF Kelly, Anastsia & her bf Justin were hanging out. Anastasia & Justin fought #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:33:46 +0000 |
| SobukiRa | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @Free_Byron_Case: Do you have questions about Byrons case? Join the chat with @Vidocq_CC #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:34:11 +0000 |
| RizingStar | @Free_Byron_Case @Vidocq_CC Reading up on the case now. Will most likely have a few questions. Very much interested so far. #CrimeChat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:34:32 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @shinysparkly Blog! Get others to link to your posts, tweet about it, get a local reporter to do a story about you and your blog! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:34:44 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | Two days later Justin, Anastasia's bf committed suicide. It is believed it was a suicide pact. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:34:45 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @SobukiRa Buki!!! Thank you for the RT! So looking forward to June! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:35:03 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @RizingStar Please do ask, here or post Q in comment box on my blog below the recap! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:35:30 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @Free_Byron_Case: Two days later Justin, Anastasias bf committed suicide. It is believed it was a suicide pact. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:35:38 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | Years later Kelly, upset over Byron wanting nothing to do with her & her desire to get our of rehab pinned the murder on Byron #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:36:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Did Justin have emotional problems in his past? Ever hinted at suicide before? I don't know the case, sorry. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:36:16 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | This is after she confessed she saw Justin kill Anastasia #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:36:28 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | This is after she confessed she saw Justin kill Anastasia #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:36:28 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC This determination (qualifying new evidence) is in court's discretion in interpreting guiding statute in most states. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:36:47 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC This determination (qualifying new evidence) is in court's discretion in interpreting guiding statute in most states. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:36:47 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC Yes. Both Anastasia and Justin had emotional problems. Anastasia's mother was even convinced it was a pact. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:06 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC Yes. Both Anastasia and Justin had emotional problems. Anastasia's mother was even convinced it was a pact. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:06 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @RizingStar @Vidocq_CC Great! Thank you for looking into it. Feel free to fire questions my way #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:39 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @RizingStar @Vidocq_CC Great! Thank you for looking into it. Feel free to fire questions my way #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:39 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro This determination (qualifying new evidence) is courts discretion in interpreting guiding statute in most states. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:40 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro This determination (qualifying new evidence) is courts discretion in interpreting guiding statute in most states. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:40 +0000 |
| McVladie | Writers want clues for the best way your victim can fall or which way the blood should really splatter... Then follow @Vidocq_CC #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:45 +0000 |
| McVladie | Writers want clues for the best way your victim can fall or which way the blood should really splatter... Then follow @Vidocq_CC #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:45 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro And I so wish that we could have federal guidelines in this area! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro And I so wish that we could have federal guidelines in this area! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:37:57 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @wobblywarrior Editorial comment urged the D.A. to reconsider. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:38:51 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @wobblywarrior Editorial comment urged the D.A. to reconsider. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:38:51 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | Kelly changed her story that it was Byron & taped a conversation with him that was NOT controlled. You can barely hear him. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:38:57 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | Kelly changed her story that it was Byron & taped a conversation with him that was NOT controlled. You can barely hear him. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:38:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @McVladie Wait, you wish to switch to blood spatter analysis? Maybe on another chat because that involves a LOT of information! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:39:23 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @McVladie Wait, you wish to switch to blood spatter analysis? Maybe on another chat because that involves a LOT of information! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:39:23 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | This tape was entered into evidence, even after it was expressed the tape had been sent out to a 3rd party #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:39:26 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | This tape was entered into evidence, even after it was expressed the tape had been sent out to a 3rd party #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:39:26 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | The transcription of the tape is terrible and Byron is inaudible. The Skeptical Juror talks much about this in his book #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:39:54 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro That editorial comment was from a local/state/national paper? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:39:56 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @nancypetro Thanks, that an editorial helped points a direction for Zeigler and Gary Bennett. #crimechat #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:40:37 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case The book includes a transcript of that tape? If not, please incllude in package, will answer email later today #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:41:02 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @wobblywarrior Explain the Bennett case, Susan. Zeigler is well represented on my blog for reading up but Bennett is not. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:41:44 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Local media, Cleveland and Akron newspapers and media covered this case. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:41:58 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Can you expain your book and the blog wrongful convictions to us? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:42:19 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @Vidocq_CC Not sure if full transcript. Will include with package with a link to listen to the tape. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:43:17 +0000 |
| McVladie | @Vidocq_CC That is why I am sending my victims err I mean followers your way...You are the best after all : ) #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:43:18 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @Vidocq_CC Gary Bennett was convicted 1 yr after dog handler John Preston was discredited. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:43:23 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC I am one of many contributing editors to the wrongful convictions blog, an international forum on this topic. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:43:25 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Mark Godsey, professor of law at the Univ. of Cincinnati Law and Director of the Ohio Innocence Project is the editor. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:43:59 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @Vidocq_CC Bennett's case is tied to Zeigler through Ashton's falsely portraying both as homosexuals. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:44:12 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Here is the link to the wrongful conviction blog: http://t.co/KVnvQaBwwI #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:44:26 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @Free_Byron_Case Awesome, thanks! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:44:49 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Here is the link to the wrongful conviction blog: http://t.co/b1lhOZnSwb #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:45:16 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @Vidocq_CC Tainted transfer of Bennett's case & other misconduct should help free Zeigler. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:45:28 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC My husband, former OH AG, and I co-authored False Justice - Eight Myths that Convict the Innocence. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:45:29 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Tell me more about the myths. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:46:25 +0000 |
| nancypetro | The book includes three OH cases of wrongful conviction that touched Jim while AG or after, and it addresses the topic broadly. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:47:01 +0000 |
| nancypetro | The 8 myths are broadly believed misconceptions that fuel wrongful conviction. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:47:38 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Here is the link to the wrongful conviction blog: http://t.co/KVnvQaBwwI #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:48:20 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro book includes 3 OH cases of wrongful conviction that touched Jim while AG or after + addresses the topic broadly #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:48:49 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Example: Only guilty people confess. DNA-proven convictions revealed that many misconceptions like this convict the innocent. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:49:53 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Here is the link to the wrongful conviction blog: http://t.co/b1lhOZnSwb #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:50:17 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC I also report on news related to wrongful convictions on the FALSE JUSTICE Facebook page at http://t.co/nDQlKRmI1t #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:52:41 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @FordMalone @LAMurderCop Very welcome and nice to meet you! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:53:44 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro We have about 6 minutes left, can you stay longer? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:54:15 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Yes, I can stay longer. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:55:12 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro OK, I wish for you to finish the 8 myths then I have to leave, alas! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:55:50 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Myth 1: Everyone in prison claims innocence. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:02 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 1: Everyone in prison claims innocence. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:27 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Myth 2: Our system almost never convicts an innocent person. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:29 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Myth 3: Only guilty people confess. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:49 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 2: Our system almost never convicts an innocent person. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:54 +0000 |
| RizingStar | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 3: Only guilty people confess. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:58:03 +0000 |
| YNews13 | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 2: Our system almost never convicts an innocent person. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:58:14 +0000 |
| RizingStar | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 2: Our system almost never convicts an innocent person. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:58:14 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Myth 4: Wrongful convictions are the result of innocent human behavior. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:58:18 +0000 |
| YNews13 | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 3: Only guilty people confess. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:58:23 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Myth 5: An eyewitness is the best evidence. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:58:38 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 4: Wrongful convictions are the result of innocent human behavior. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:58:44 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Myth 6: Conviction errors get corrected on appeal. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:58:58 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 5: An eyewitness is the best evidence. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:59:02 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Myth 7: It dishonors a victim to question a conviction. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:59:18 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Myth 8: If the system has problems, the pros will fix them. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:59:41 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 7: It dishonors a victim to question a conviction. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:59:44 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 2: Our system almost never convicts an innocent person. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:59:53 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 8: If the system has problems, the pros will fix them. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:00:02 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 5: An eyewitness is the best evidence. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:00:08 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro That is a great list of myths and yes, heard them all! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:00:39 +0000 |
| vlu77 | RT @nancypetro - The 8 myths are broadly believed misconceptions that fuel wrongful conviction. #crimechat #prison | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:00:57 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Do you have a website for the book, Nancy? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:01:01 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 8: If the system has problems, the pros will fix them. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:01:05 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @wobblywarrior Agreed, Susan! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:01:43 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @wobblywarrior The National Registry of Exonerations reports that in 2012 police, prosecutors helped in majority of exonerations. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:02:40 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @nancypetro Is there any way to get reluctant police, prosecutors on board? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:04:02 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro @wobblywarrior So there is a change where once hard lines are fading and people see they could have made mistakes #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:04:18 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @wobblywarrior This is a big increase in official cooperation and is a very encouraging sign for all who are wrongly convicted. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:04:25 +0000 |
| RizingStar | @Free_Byron_Case @Vidocq_CC Am to understand Justin had already taken his life during the time that she was being identified? #CrimeChat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:04:41 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 1: Everyone in prison claims innocence. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:04:53 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 2: Our system almost never convicts an innocent person. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:05:01 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Agreed, are any states more open to network than others? #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:05:12 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 3: Only guilty people confess. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:05:17 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 4: Wrongful convictions are the result of innocent human behavior. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:05:26 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 6: Conviction errors get corrected on appeal. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:05:46 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 7: It dishonors a victim to question a conviction. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:05:53 +0000 |
| nancypetro | Vidocq_CC @nancypetro @wobblywarrior I think we're seeing a tipping point in wrongful conviction awareness. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:05:56 +0000 |
| McVladie | RT @Vidocq_CC: RT @nancypetro: @Vidocq_CC Myth 8: If the system has problems, the pros will fix them. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:06:05 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @RizingStar @vidocq_cc she was identified the next morning. Hours later he was on video purchasing a gun. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:07:07 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @nancypetro So encouraging! Advocating for many. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:07:10 +0000 |
| HALO_7 | “@nancypetro: The National Registry of Exonerations reports that in 2012 #police #prosecutors helped in majority of exonerations #CrimeChat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:07:13 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Here is a link to the National Registry of Exonerations: http://t.co/aSaLYaWknX #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:08:02 +0000 |
| Free_Byron_Case | @RizingStar @vidocq_cc it's important to note that Justin called Byron that am saying he couldn't sleep & seemed out of it. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:08:32 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Thank you so very much, Nancy. This hour flew by with tons of information! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:09:34 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro OK, got the pdf! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:10:16 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC It was my pleasure, Nic. Thank you for the opportunity. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:10:38 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @Vidocq_CC Leigh McEachern being one of said (former) cops. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:11:00 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @wobblywarrior Thanks so very much. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:11:35 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | RT @wobblywarrior: @Vidocq_CC Leigh McEachern being one of said (former) cops. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:11:37 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro I will include your website in the recap. Will post that later on my blog. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:12:01 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro I think I need to get you back for another chat to explain the writing process of your book. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:12:26 +0000 |
| wobblywarrior | @Vidocq Looking forward to recap. Will blog about it. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:14:37 +0000 |
| nancypetro | @Vidocq_CC Thank you. I'd be happy to do this again. Thanks to all who participated. Hard to address all at once! Best wishes. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:15:09 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Thank you very much for the chat and I hope to do another one with you in the future. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:15:23 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @wobblywarrior Thanks, Susan, that would be awesome esp if you can include the link! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:15:42 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | @nancypetro Never possible to address all at once so we shall chat again soon. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:16:06 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Thank you all, for RTs and engaging. This was a great chat. I will post a recap on my blog with links. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:16:45 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | If you have any questions, please place them in the comment box below the post and I will ask Nancy to take a look at them. #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:17:13 +0000 |
| Vidocq_CC | Alas, I have to go but will tune in later or Friday. Thank you all! Signing off!!! #crimechat | Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:17:37 +0000 |